This was
a facebook conversation I had with someone during the 3rd
Presidential debate last night. “Steve”
is not the only person who thinks like this, and that’s what worries me.
Steve: Reverend Barack is learning a lot when Mitt
speaks, even taking diligent notes. I almost feel sad for the angry muslim
whenever the topic of his failed policies are brought up. Time to flip back to
the game...
Frank: Are you the angry muslim?? You certainly
cannot be so ideologically biased to buy the crap that Obama is muslim.
Steve: Hey Frank! Actually, "angry" &
"muslim" are synonymous. In terms of being "ideologically
biased", perception is reality. Barack has a long history of being a muslim
apologist, hence my comments. If you choose to comprehend my comments in
literal fashion, then you won't understand the insinuation. By the way, you
cannot be so ideologically biased as to buy into the crap that muslims are a
peaceful people, or can you?
Frank: I don't understand what you mean by "muslim
apologist." Is Obama somehow advocating for Islam? He is not. But he is
advocating for negotiations. Stay factual and reasonable. If you take the
hand-waving view that ALL muslims are angry and that we should be disparaging
towards them all, I'd say that you are the angry catholic and need to take a
pill. I *perceive* you to be biased, does that mean that is reality?
Steve: Wow! I find it difficult to believe that you
cannot understand how he is a muslim apologist. How many times has an American
been killed and Barack apologizes? Is that advocating for Islam? That's
irrelevant. What is not factual and reasonable about that, Frank? Is it unfair
to depict muslims as "angry" when they burn U.S. flags and kill
innocent human beings and for what reason? Because someone said something
negative about their Allah? Because someone burned their book, by accident? So
that justifies killing Americans, right Frank? And I'm the one who's angry? I'm
an angry Catholic? Because I called the muslims who kill and murder innocent
people, angry? I don't know what "pill" you've been on. But you are
right about one thing, I am biased. I'm a biased American, unlike you and
Barack.
Frank: When
did you fall off the deep end? Who
exactly is Obama apologizing to when an American is killed? You’re making stuff up because you don’t have
something to stand on. Should I say that
all Christians are angry when the Westboro Baptist Church pickets
funerals with their hate speech? Are all
Christians hateful when a bunch of preachers condemn to hell atheists, gays,
muslims, and pro-choice women from their pulpits? No. These are select crackpots. They don’t represent most Christians, and the
same goes for muslims. There will always
be hateful, fringe groups in every religion.
And you certainly must be the only true American here! You sound very patriotic when you claim that other
people are not American when they are asking questions and calling you to
task. You criticize some muslims for
getting angry when some books are burned.
But how are you not doing the same kind of thing in getting angry at
me? Look in the mirror. You aren’t any different than the people you
are angry at. Ironic. You need to stop repeating everything Fox
News says uncritically and get a deeper, more informed perspective by reading
multiple news sites.
I think both arguments were poorly structured. Nobody got anywhere. No real point was made. Honestly, I don't get why this was posted on this blog at all.
ReplyDeleteWhat? Are you kidding?
DeleteI'm not the original poseter, so I can't say for sure what the point was meant to be but, I'm pretty sure one was made -
Steve was uncritically spouting out biased, uninformed opinions of Obama and of muslims (not to mention saying stupid stuff like "perception is reality", a rather idiotic phrase), and Frank was trying to get Steve to reflect upon that, and for a good cause.
You don't get why this was posted?? That's pretty dense. There is a way to think well and a way to not think well.
ReplyDeleteI think Steve smokes this kind of dope:
ReplyDeletehttp://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/17/1030281/romney-debate-watch-party/
Donald Trump again!
ReplyDeleteI usually use facebook to troll or harass people too as it usually makes me feel better
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